So the KJVO believer asks me, how then can we not make claim to the perfection of the KJV. Wouldn’t that mean that this king whom the Lᴏʀᴅ hated above all the rest of mankind before or since was somehow given the single most astounding miracle in the entire Bible! God’s Word has not been double inspired- it was breathed only once. Let me know how I can arrange a meeting with God so that I can ask him. He was a critical text supporter and stated that the brunt of all changes were spelling standardization, grammar standardiztion, corrections of printer errors and other such items. But besides all this, they were the principal motives of it, and therefore ought least to quarrel it; for the very historical truth is, that upon the importunate petitions of the Puritans, at His Majesty's coming to this crown, the conference at Hampton Court having been appointed for hearing their complaints, when by force of reason they were put from all other grounds, they had recourse at the last, to this shift, that they could not with good conscience subscribe to the communion book, since it maintained the Bible as it was there translated, which was (as they said) a most corrupted translation. Therefore the word of God, being set forth in Greek, becometh hereby like a candle set upon a candlestick, which giveth light to all that are in the house; or like a proclamation sounded forth in the market place, which most men presently take knowledge of; and therefore that language was fittest to contain the Scriptures, both for the first preachers of the gospel to appeal unto for witness, and for the learners also of those times to make search and trial by. If such were the case then why would they call for a revision to the Bishop’s Bible? In fact, he made it rather clear that he was not one of that persuasion. “, NIV – “This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. To all who read this- Satan is the author of confusion! Rick wants us all believe God can do nothing including save us. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. Several functions may not work. St. Augustine calleth them precedent, or original tongues ; St. Jerome, fountains. Do you approve of the far more numerous changes made since then to deal with the changing language as well? Napali – TBS Version If this means asking questions about the true Bible for your salvation, and performing research, you must. The King James Bible (1611, 1769) is in public domain everywhere except the United Kingdom. That is why believers would often cry out when they caught such a print error. Psalms 12 specifically V5-7 is about His people, not His word or words: And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.”, (Same reasoning of the last example, why change it from God giving his life for us, to Jesus Christ giving his life for us, unless again you wanted to leave it open to debate whether or not he was God Himself or just a man name jesus christ? German – Luther’s Timothy would have been using (most likely) a Greek translation of the Bible (Old Testament at that time) Jesus would have also been using a Greek translation of the Bible and still claimed they were perfect and preserved. Thus St. Augustine. Another example demonstrating that the Masorete got some things wrong in the MT is the age of King Ahaziah when he ascended to the throne of the Southern Kingdom of Judah as recounted in II Kings 8 and I Chronicles 22, following the horrific death (arguably the most horrific death in the entire Bible — far and away worse even than the Crucifixion of Christ! The “problems” with modern versions are usually only problems if the King James Version is presupposed to be perfect. Or why do you look down on your brother? If you don’t believe me, try to pass it off as a 1911 to any collector. That makes them more important. And now at last, by the mercy of God, and the continuance of our labours, it being brought unto such a conclusion, as that we have great hopes that the Church of [England] shall reap good fruit thereby; we hold it our duty to offer it to Your Majesty, not only as to our King and Sovereign, but as to the principal Mover and Author of the work: humbly craving of Your most Sacred Majesty, that since things of this quality have ever been subject to the censures of illmeaning and discontented persons, it may receive approbation and patronage from so learned and judicious a Prince as Your Highness is, whose allowance and acceptance of our labours shall more honour and encourage us, than all the calumniations and hard interpretations of other men shall dismay us. While God would be known only in Jacob, and have his name great in Israel, and in none other place; while the dew lay on Gideon's fleece only, and all the earth besides was dry; then for one and the same people, which spake all of them the language of Canaan--that is, Hebrew--, one and the same original in Hebrew was sufficient. However, when even many of their own enemies and those who are not aligned with their theology back up their claims and knowledge then where does the line get drawn? 19 For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, One may explain a passage better than others, but the Word combined with the witness of the Holy Spirit gives me ALL I need to be a Christian. Subsequent editions also reflected changes in spelling, fonts, etc. The JST-LDS version of John 1:1 reads: “In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. Polish – Gdansk Since we’re discussing the “Word of God” has any ‘Christians’ considered what was REALLY left out of ‘The Bible’??? Hath her sweet bread been mingled with leaven, here silver with dross, her wine with water, her milk with lime? look at our constants above, coincidence, reliable, is it accurate. But that we should express the same notion in the same particular word, as for example, if we translate the Hebrew or Greek word once by purpose, never to call it intent; if one where journeying, never travelling; if one where think, never suppose; if one where pain, never ache; if one where joy, never gladness, etc--thus, to mince the matter, we thought to savor more of curiosity than wisdom, and that rather it would breed scorn in the atheist than bring profit to the godly reader. Also we forebear to descend to later Fathers, because we will not weary the reader. the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”. Stick with the faithful translation that is true to the original traditional manuscripts (99+%). And that the vast majority of them (there are a few exceptions) use the same chapter and verse numbers that the KJV does, right? He can not. ), 1 John 3:16 (Like you don't have enough to do already? Again they were not out of the Hebrew fountain (we speak of the Latin translations of the Old Testament) but out of the Greek stream; therefore, the Greek being not altogether clear, the Latin derived from it must needs be muddy. “Lowest average grade reading level” is subjective; what methodology are you using? As I read your second article on this subject, I became aware of the example in, “Psalm 69:32 – “seeke good” vs. “seek God”, I noticed how the word “good” in the 1611, was changed to “God” in the 1769. [Geneva Bible 1587] . Sadly I see that for the most part, they have not. You can point someone to Christ using any version, so pick one or all and get to it and stop trying to split hairs! So if 95% to 99% of MSS backs up the KJV readings then how was an inferior text used? The first “world” means “an order of things; or world”. By the way, I was not raised KJV Only. An answer to the imputations of our adversaries 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 1611 to 1768 KJV Bibles: poured it upon the ground When a secular school such as Harvard and Yale can come out with statements to the superiority of the texts and the readings where does that leave the KJV Only scholar and your argument? FOOLS: catch up with the truth: read Gail Riplinger, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7KRPwKnhxs. The world’s faith: essentially a blind hope–with no assurance that the object of the faith is actually real or will come into fruition. I think God wants us to keep His commandments and Love Him. The service book supposed to be made by St. Ambrose (Officium Ambrosianum) was a great while in special use and request, but Pope Hadrian calling a council with the aid of Charles the emperor, abolished it--yea, burned it--and commanded the service book of St. Gregory universally to be used. PeterAV Use your Gravatar-enabled email address while commenting to automatically enhance your comment with some of Gravatar's open profile data. He mentions this fact and as I said he is not invested in the outcome of the KJVO debate either way. KING OF GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND IRELAND, But it is high time to leave them, and to show in brief what we proposed to ourselves, and what course we held in this our perusal and survey of the Bible. Christ said we are to live by EVERY WORD of God. So that the math you gave to attempt to prove the KJV to be the one-and-only true Bible would also work on any of those other versions, right? We might also be charged (by scoffers) with some unequal dealing towards a great number of good English words. (paraphrased Psalms 12:6). Thanks again for being willing to allow those with different positions or philosophies than you to speak freely on your blog without editing or deleting out comments; out would be rather easy to follow such an urge. The latter is printed without the almanac listing Saint’s Days, and the KJV translators preface and their marginal notes in different readings. Hebrew words were used in the original text. Now with the advent of the internet many false truths have been put forth and research has to be intensely scrutinized. ” And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” Thus certain brethren. [KJV 1611]. That’s all. Your solid logic and invitation to kill myself has revealed the errors of my ways, and I’ll gladly discuss the validity of what you’re saying with God, if his ambassadors would ever arrange a meeting rather than just talking about my death. Whatever it is, it is right. When the issue was brought up I began to study it. they all thave changes in them for the worst. 22:29, Luke 24:25. KJ – “Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. Chad is a closet KJVO. To use it as an axe to slice the body into ever smaller pieces? Ignoring for a second that Psalm 12:6 refers to a specific promise of God and not to the Bible as a whole, its tense prohibits the interpretation you’re giving it. Nature taught a natural man to confess that all of us in those tongues which we do not understand are plainly deaf; we may turn the deaf ear unto them.
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