yathemāni nimittāni bhayāyādyopalakṣaye || verse 16 from chapter 2, Arundhati Vasistha observation must also be an omen (Nimita) and nothing else. 5. The immediate verse (32) says The Deer-sign in the Moon has deviated from its usual position! So this is some aberration of observation due to atmospheric effects. This news report is the Shabda. internalised and Pratyaksha Pramāna is forgotten, is not correct because the I do thank him for his persistence. Oak saheb, aamcha maanacha mujra sweekar karava hee vinanti. his book he treats A-V observation as a Shabda pramāna. Other factors like evolution of monsoon climate in north India (climatology) and evolution of the shore-lines of India due to sea level rise causing submergence and re-emergence of Dwaraka (bathymetry). Well caught by Dr Pandit but in any case, Nilesh Oak had not taken it into consideration and made up his own references. It is clubbed with this other undatable observation viz. This also trained me to design a space-craft trajectory anywhere inside the solar system with a decent awareness on the movement of planets in their orbits. I critiqued specific claim of Ashok Bhatnagar for the day of Bhishma-Nirvana. Everyday, Arundhati finished her household chores well before time to join her husband in class. In fact there were two discussions, one in the Facebook wall of Dr Subhash Kak and another during the Indic Talk of Nilesh Oak arranged by Indic Academy in Facebook: Jijith Nadumuri Ravi (addressing Subhash Kak): You will be happy to know about this new archao-astronomy based date of Kurukshetra war arrived at by Dr Ashok Bhatnagar, an astronomer himself, which gives a date of 1793 BCE for the Kurukshetra War. Nilesh Oak’s contention that Shabda Pramāna has been Is 5561bc is not valid as a result? Nilesh Nilkanth Oak: It is sad to see how ill informed you are about the chronology research of Kurukshetra war. The ‘Panchanga software’ like ‘Jagannatha Hora’ which can calculate and provide the tithi, nakshatra and other astrological elements are often used in conjunction. For example, the stellar observation frameworks like the zodiac with its current names, the names of stars, planets and comets as we know now has undergone evolution. Your specific question such as on Bhishma-nirvana will be answered by Bhatnagar in such a forum. interpretation. Before proceeding further, let me briefly state why All of this is called the literature-astronomy correlation or the correlation of astronomy data in the Mahbharata (especially those close to the Kurukshetra War narrative) with a computed ancient planetary position chart (or with a computer generated ancient sky map). A Kurukshetra War date proposed nearer to these dates is by archaeologist Prof BB Lal based on his excavations of Ayodhya, Kashi, Kausambi, Ahichatra, Hastinapura and Indraprasta. 3. Chaste women are compared to Arundhati. In the final part of the debate, Dr Pandit pointed out that Pluto is away from Krittika and is 30 degrees away but was ignored by Nilesh Oak. This is not apparent on first glance when one reads his book. Familiar with this work? The fundamental pramānas are three – Pratyaksha, Arundhati not only learnt the Vedas but also comprehended it. In the course of this What is so special about 5561 BCE? This proves Dr Pandit's point. How do you reconcile your 5561 BCE Kurukshetra War date with the Puranic Kinglist which cannot expand to 5000 years? Karl Popper himself says that falsification cannot be applied to anything which qualifies as an omen or Nimitta. Thus we see the Harappan culture of Sarasvati-Yamuna blending with the PGW culture of Sarasvati-Yamuna-Ganga, which can be corresponded to the Vedic era blending with the Aitihasic Kurukshetra War era. In my paper presented at Indraprasta Conference in 2016, I correspond these ancestors with the sites like Rakhigarhi (4600 BCE) and Bhirrana (7570 BCE). The answer is actually not very perfectly articulated by Dr Pandit which is why it comes across as less than accurate. (Pratyaksha and Anumana), quick analysis was done in his You yourself say that for many years since 11091 BCE to 5561 BCE (your proposed date of the War) (and up to 4508 BCE) Vasistha moved behind Arundhati. Astronomical phenomena are cyclic in nature. Thus it is repeated in around 2000 BCE (leading to work of Ashok Bhatnagar), around 3000 BCE (leading to the work of Dr Achar) and in around 5600 BCE (leading to the work of you and Vartak). July 5, 2020 July 5, 2020. from 23 October through 20 December and selective reference of Magha Shukla 8. this particular verse on Arundhati. Clear data points are selected, ambiguous ones are rejected. This date proposed by BB Lal is around 900 BCE. The maximum separation (with Arundhati ahead of Vasistha) between Arundhati and Vasistha were around 500 arc-sec, which is about 8 arc-min. I read the news next day that an accidental fire had In the celestial The reason for such variance in the dates of archaeo astronomers is that, the planetary configurations observed in the terrestrial sky is cyclic in nature, because all the planets are moving around the sun in precise orbits in precise orbital periods, providing cyclic-nature to the planetary clustering in the various zodiacal zones (Rashis) of the terrestrial equatorial sky. I doubt anybody else would have had the courage to do so. I had to think for quite a while to understand the time interval in which this verse would be an omen. The rabbit shaped dark mark on the moon will never appear as shifted unless there are some atmospheric disturbances. Nilesh Oak’s date of 5561 BCE is too far. I clarified it to you before. Ashok Bhatnagar proposed 14 October 1793 BCE as the first day of Mahabharata war. from around 11500 BCE to around 4000 BCE, there is no reason why Vyasa would talk about it in 5561 BCE as an unusual observation, because it was the norm for so many years and centuries. I guess that there is a fire there. 4. Certainly no one can base their entire thesis on Astronomical Dating of Mahabharata war on a fragile observation like this. Jijith Nadumuri Ravi: Dr Ashok Bhatnagar is an astronomer himself and his date 1792 BCE for Kurukshetra War correlate well with archaeology and with Puranic king list than all the older MBH dates including yours. Moola, Aslesha, Jyeshta & Vishaka – are they dreadful?? namely terrestrial, atmospheric and celestial. The sky is represented by archaeo-astronomy and earth by archaeology. Pratyaksha, and passing through Anumana, finally getting ascertained by Shabda. know what kind of fire it is. The reasoning for thus was given as the verse preceding the verse giving grahas: Jupiter and Saturn at Vishakha for a year.
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